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This is the Technical Difficulties,
we're playing Citation Needed.

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Joining me today, he reads books y'know,
it's Chris Joel.

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Gary's line, just before Gary said it,
so Gary's isn't funny, remember that.

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Yeah.

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Everybody's favourite Gary Brannan,
Gary Brannan.

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And now on ITV1, our new
Saturday night entertainment game show,

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join Stephen Mulhern in
Get Out, That's My Trout.

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And the bounciest man on the internet,
Matt Gray.

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And I'll be following up on ITV2
with your reaction.

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In front of me I've got an article from
Wikipedia and these folks can't see it.

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Every fact they get right is a point and a ding

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and there's a special prize for particularly
good answers which is:

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-They're getting better at that.
-Yeah.

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Today we are talking about
the Crazy Eights incident.

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The Crazy Eights or the Crazy Apes?

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Because one of those sounds brilliant.

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The Crazy Eights incident,
also known as the CSX 8888 incident.

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Is it Chinese, they like eights, don't they?

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Oh, bloody hell.

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No, you're completely and utterly wrong.

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-It's a lucky number, isn't it?
-Yes.

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That would be a lucky number,
but this is (a) not in China

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and (b)... I nearly said two there.

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This is… this is (a) not in China
and (b) not lucky.

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Was it unlucky?

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-CSX transportation is the company in question.
-Okay.

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-A flight?
-No.

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Public transport?

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-It's more of a freight carrier.
-Is it a runaway train?

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-Oh, it is.
-Does it go around... damn it.

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I wanted to do the whole first line.

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Is it that film?

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Oh, which film?

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There was a film with the guy
that played Kirk in the new Star Treks.

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That would be Chris Pine.

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Yes, I think, and it was all undercranked,

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it's artificially sped up footage
of American trains moving really slowly.

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I saw about 10 minutes of that.

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-It was terrible. It was amazing.
-Yeah.

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Was it that?

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-Yes, it was.
-Yes!

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It's called, it's got a terrible pun name,
hasn't it though?

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-It's something like just Runaway, isn't it?
-Runaway.

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-Unstoppable.
-Unstoppable, there we go.

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Denzel Washington and Chris Pine, yes.

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Yeah.

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And you've skipped a huge amount
of the article here,

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because that is the film
based on this incident.

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So we've got a run…
we've got a train what is running away?

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-Yes.
-And then you get at that rather than it's …

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-Yes.
-And not cos it scared, cos it naughty.

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Now, if I remember from the film,

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it was running away towards a city
that had a very tight bend in it,

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and there was something
that it couldn't fall off and destroy,

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- and it had terrible things inside it.
- Now...

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Why did your movie pitch career
never take off, Matt?

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Have you not heard me describing things before?

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Yeah, but never so compelling.

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You're right with some of that,
it did have bad things in it.

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Was it radiation-y?

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-No. No, it was…
-Was it chemical-y?

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Yes. I'm going to give a point for that
and I feel like I shouldn't.

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Chemical-y bad things.

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Yeah, thousands of gallons of phenol.

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Is that a solvent?

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-Phenolic acid.
-Is it an acid?

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I'm not, I'm not...

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Can we not just get a runaway train
of Gaviscon to hit it

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-'cos that'd sort it out?
-Oh!

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Yeah, you're also right that the movie
had Devil's Curve in the city of Stanton.

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Is there actually a city of Stanton?

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I don't know if there's a city of Stanton,
there certainly isn't a Devil's Curve.

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Is it… is it just a bad curve?

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No, the train… the actual real train,
which was CSX 8888, that was the registry number,

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was not headed towards
anything particularly dangerous.

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So Hollywood found it vaguely boring
but someone thought, 'Oh, if we…

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'if we made this worse than it actually was,
it would be a compelling kind of film?'

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Yes.

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I like the thought of someone sat at home
with their kid's train set,

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trying to think,
'How can I make this film exciting?'

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And they just kick the little bit of track,
and it bends and he goes,

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"There we have it."

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This is notable for one particular
aspect of it,

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but apart from the fact that there were
no significant injuries or anything from it.

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It's notable for one thing.

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Had a film made about it.

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-Two things.
-Okay.

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They tried to do the sort of stupid s***
that you see in the film

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where they pull a train alongside,

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and somebody leapt across
to try and slow it down.

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Yes.

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Oh, right.

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So someone having seen a film tried to do
something they might see in a film.

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Well, it was a little more thought out than that,
but yes, this was rescued...

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That is damning with such faint praise.

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So first of all, what went wrong?

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What's happening here at this place?

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Did they not catch up to it and pull up next to
it to do the… the jumpy thing?

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How do you pull up next to it?

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S***!

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-Was it on a single track railway?
-Yes.

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Did it come up with all this idea,
so we'll get this, we'll put it up, 'Oh...'

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No, no,  they knew what it was on.
And it's also notable for how far it went.

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Why is it running away?

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Well, that's how the show works, Gary.

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Gary, why was it running away?

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Well, alright, if I zip my anorak up
ever so slightly, they should have vacuum braking.

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So if there's a break in the vacuum pipe,
the brakes should come on.

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So has the driver collapsed or something?

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Oh, you so were close until the end.

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-Yeah, I'll still give you a point because…
-Hit the point button you dick!

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This starts in a classification yard
or a marshalling yard as it's known in the UK.

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So that's where they move stuff about
and put them on the…

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the freight gets moved and…

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-Yes.
-Trains; trains are made up into trains.

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Yeah.

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Where a mummy train and a daddy train
make a baby train.

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There are different types of yard,
what's a hump yard?

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You shunt without connecting.

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It's over a hump,
it's a hill and it runs down via gravity.

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And you can… you can brake it at the top

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by popping things between the rails
to catch the wheels, to slow them slightly,

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someone in a big room, goes;
a big lever and goes, "Erghrrr," like that,

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-and they stop.
-Goes what?

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I can't do it again, it's already passed,
hasn't it?

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Yeah, there's another one…
there's another one coming.

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"Erghrrr."

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It's a different lever,
before anyone says anything else.

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There's also a gravity yard.

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I want to see the anti-gravity yard personally.

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That's for moving them between tracks,

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because then you can just
shove them sideways gently.

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It's the same thing, isn't it,
it's just a hill, they run down them.

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Yeah, it's literally: right, the trains are here,
and you push them down the hill,

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you start them going and then you just have to
align all the points up

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-and the switches up, so it goes the right way.
-Now, is that where it went wrong?

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-Yes.
-Did they align them to the output

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instead of to a siding,
and then they just kept going?

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So it's not actually a gravity yard here,
it's a flat yard,

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but the engineer on the train noticed that one
of the switches, points, is misaligned.

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-So what does he do?
-Hit it with a big hammer.

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Well, he can't brake fast enough, he knows

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-the train's not going to stop in time.
-Did he jump off?

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Yes, he did.

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Ah, now, what you’ve done there, mate, now what
you've done there is you've…

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you've left your train off,

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and it's going all on its own,

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at no point is this Thomas
and the train will stop for not having a driver.

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Yes, he did… he did actually apply the airbrake,

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but the airbrake was disconnected,

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because it's in the middle of a yard
and they don’t activate it there.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, and you might only have the
engine brake which won't stop a full train.

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Yes. But it did turn off the dead man's switch
because the brake's pushed.

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Now, that is very silly.

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If you take the keys out,
you can't actually stop it, can you?

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No. Does anybody here know
what a dynamic brake on a train is?

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Oh God, is it … oh no.

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It's what … that's what the APT had, isn't it?

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That's, that's fluid dynamic brake,
isn't it? Yeah.

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That was liquid,
that was a hydraulic brake, wasn't it?

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A dynamic brake is using the throttle
to power the brakes.

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That's it, it recharges the brakes
and goes by like the reserve energy,

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because they are electric motors rather than
just a diesel engine driving the wheels.

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It's a diesel engine driving an electric motor
and you use that to recharge the brake circuits.

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-Yes.
-Is it like using a flywheel as a brake?

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-Yeah, a little bit.
-Yeah, moving kinetic energy into the other system.

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Sorry, I'm getting just a bit
engineery-intrigued now.

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No, that's fair.

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I like the fact
that they're all having these discussions

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while the train was running away
out of the yard behind them.

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What happens if, for example, you fail to set
the dynamic brake

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and then send power to it?

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Ah, now, does that just make the brakes
not work even better?

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No, it's just going to accelerate.
-Oh s***.

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-He'd just turned the throttle on.
-Awesome.

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Oh s***,
you've just made it go faster there, mate.

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-Yes.
-And then he jumped off.

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He... yes.

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Now. Now, what he really did there…

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-This is America, right?
-Uh-huh.

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The thing I know about America is that
it's big, yeah.

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-Yes.
-Point!

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So, and America has big long straight bits
of railway with nothing.

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-Yes.
-Was this a diesel engine

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and did they just wait for the diesel to run out?

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They've got quite a bit of diesel on though,
haven't they?

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Yes. Did they just wait?
They’ve got quite a bit of America too.

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No, they didn't, but you’re along sort of
the right lines, when I said this was notable...

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Ha, 'lines'.

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...when I said it was notable, I mean it was
notable for something in particular about this.

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Did they try and syphon the diesel out
while it was driving?

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Someone just comes up with a hosepipe,
sticks it in and goes...

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The brakes aren't working.

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Is this the train that's travelled on its own
the longest?

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No. I don't know if it's officially the longest
but it is certainly a very, very long distance.

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It went for two hours at somewhere
around fifty miles an hour.

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Whoa!

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That's nearly 100 miles.

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Yes.

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There are all sorts of movie plot threats
and ideas that you've come up with here.

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What are they actually
going to try and do to it?

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What's the practical solution to: runaway train?

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Get one of those little carts.

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Here we go.

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What has the pumpy thing on and go dead fast so
you catch up with it down a hill.

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And then you climb up all along the top and get
in the driver's cab and then, and turn it off.

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Do that but with another locomotive.

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Yes.

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Actually you could just bring something out
in front of it and brake it, right?

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They also planned to do that,
they didn’t actually need to do that in time.

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-Did it crash by that point?
-No.

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No, what's… what's the plan here?

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So first of all they use something called
a portable derailer.

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So they want to jump the wheels off the track so
then it's grinding and more than driving,

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and then it'll just slow down because it hasn't
got enough grip.

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Yeah. Well, more than that,
it will knock the wheels off the track.

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And just … I mean that's not a great place
for a locomotive to be in?

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At this point, you get the police coming out and
throwing a stinger trap underneath it.

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-Oh!
-Trying to pop the tires… oh, it doesn't matter.

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-Now…
-Somebody's like, "what you did there"…

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The police did try to do something to it.

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-Shoot it.
-Yes.

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Because it's America and the police.

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What with, a f***ing cannon?

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Well, they were trying to hit something on it.

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The fuel lines?

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The brake?

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-Not quite.
-The driver.

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That pillock who jumped off.

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They're trying to... fire at the fuel...
well, it's diesel so it won't ignite.

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But, yeah, I suppose you could shoot the fuel lines.
Or the tanks! The fuel tanks.

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The emergency fuel cut-off switch, you know,
that’s close enough.

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They're trying to hit a switch.

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Yes, it … it didn't work.

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They're just dicking around,
it's a moving f***ing target, isn't it?

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So we now have: runaway train
that has been shot at by the police.

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Unsuccessfully shot at.

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With the accelerator being a bit stuck down.

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Yeah.

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And the, the other brake being on, but essentially
being completely burned out by this.

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What’s the plan?

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What do they go with?
We have experienced railroad engineers here.

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They put it in reverse somehow with the
power of the mind.

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You sort of suggested this earlier.

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What, drive another vehicle, couple it and then
use those brakes?

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Yes.

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So the two engineers, you know,
train coming the other way, pulled off.

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Oh, okay. I was going to say,
coming the other way? Yeah.

249
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Waited for that train to pass
and then chased it.

250
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That must have looked awesome.

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Yes.

252
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When was this, did they video it?

253
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There is video of the runaway train
but not of this actual moment.

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-That's a real… that’s a massive oversight.
-Is it the 70s?

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2001.

256
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Yeah, massive oversight,
get a helicopter over this, you've got rights.

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So an engineer with 31 years of service.

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Nice, is it his last day before retirement?

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I think it was in the film,
it actually was in the film.

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Oh, of course it f***ing was.

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And a rookie conductor with one year's
experience.

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"But it'll never work!" "Listen to me kid, I am,"
looks down imaginary camera,

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"the engineer."

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Looks at picture of dead wife.

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I watched that film thinking it was so formulaic,
but it actually happened like that.

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Yes, then the… the train master…

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Oh! "Behold!"

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"The train master."

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Stood in front of it on the tracks and said,
"Halt."

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Is the train master Brunel?

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No, it's Topham Hatt just with
his little straight arms.

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"You have been a very naughty engine."

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Suddenly then they listen and Ringo has suddenly
appeared in the back of the train to narrate this s***.

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Wait a minute, did the young engineer
try and go first,

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and the old engineer said, "no, you've got
too much to live for" at the last second?

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Pull him out of the way and do it himself.

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Yeah, train master, John Horsfeld,
ran alongside the train.

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Ran?

279
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They've got it down to like 11 miles an hour
now, so he sprints along…

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Okay, fifty mile an hour.
-Climbs aboard.

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-That's still a quick run, that.
-And shuts down the engine, yes.

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They have another train upfront to…
ready to try and…

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Ram it.

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Not quite ram it, but, you know,
slow it down by braking.

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-Ram it.
-Ram it, fine, yes.

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What happened to the engineer who first
made the mistake, way way back?

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So it's now stopped, they've recovered it,
it's going back to the yard.

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The engineer at the start, what happened to him?

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He was made to lie down on the rails
while they backed it up.

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Ooh!

291
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Did he have to walk all the way
to pick it back up again?

292
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It’s actually a bit harder to work out because
they never released the name of the engineer.

293
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Yeah, I don't think I would either.

294
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Because in aviation, you don't do that,
you don't go for blame, you go for,

295
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let's work out what happened and then work out
how to make it not happen again.

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it's a blameless culture,
whatever they call it.

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-So then things get reported.
-Yeah, you've actually…

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Because in the end it's always systems or technology
that's eventually caused the problem.

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And if not, you think you're going to get
blamed for something,

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you're not going to report that something
happened, then you don't get good safety.

301
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Yeah, it's called a 'just culture'

302
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and you've literally answered
several of the questions I was about to ask.

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-Have two points.
-Yeah!

304
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Alright, so what's happened to the engine
in the end?

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Has it been destroyed as a warning to others?

306
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Is it in a retirement home?
What are they called? Museum?

307
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Those are two very different things.

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A retirement home for objects is a museum.

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Okay. Okay, right yeah.

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He's not wrong.

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But neither is he right.

312
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But that's…
that doesn't work the other way around.

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Like a retirement home
is not a museum of people.

314
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No.

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Several railway museums tried to buy it
but officials replied,

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they "did not feel it worthy of preservation."

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-Yes, because…
-Please forget this.

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The train would tell the other trains
how to run away.

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Oh.

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Dangerous knowledge.

321
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And it was torn down and rebuilt
as part of a regular rebuild process.

322
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So it is now...
bits of it are now in other places.

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It got hung, drawn and quartered.

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I am... yeah, basically, yeah, that's pretty much
what hung, drawing and quartering was.

325
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I've got the idea now, of all these bits from
other trains and these bits are sentient

326
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and suddenly at some point,
and here's the second film...

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Lots of trains run away.

328
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I'm getting a sense this second one's
written by Stephen King.

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Ideally me, but, yeah,
alright, I'll sell the rights.

330
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So at the end of the show, congratulations,
Gary, you win this one.

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You win the rights
to your screenplay being produced.

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No, sorry.

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You win a shirt that exposes your midriff
sponsored by a series of Korean boy bands.

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It's a K-pop crop top.

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With that we say thank you to Chris Joel,

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to Gary Brannan,

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to Matt Gray.

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I've been Tom Scott,
and we'll see you next time.